Should the Browns give BQ another shot?

IMO:

Best case scenario = Kevin Kolb

Worst case scenario = Kerry Collins/Jake Delhomme 

Kevin Kolb got to really play in 2 games last season, one of the teams he played was the Chiefs who Brady Quinn also got to play. Kolb completed 70% of his passes for 2 tds/0 ints with 1 rushing td. BQ completed 58% of his passes with 0tds and 2 ints. We've all talked about how Brady Quinn has never had a training camp getting all the reps but Kolb has never gotten more then 15% of the reps his whole career. Kolb is ready to take on the responsibility of being a starting QB. I would give them a 2nd and a 5th rounder along with BQ. Sounds fair to me McNabb is still a beast and they've been notoriously good drafters, Brady Quinn will be making backup money and could still develop. 

If we cant get Kolb we will need a "stop gap" QB in my opinion. But Collins and Delhomme are to far past their prime and will be to caught up in not getting killed on the field to mentor a young QB. 

      Just watched those picks by BQ against the Chiefs,and they weren't pretty.The first was an overthrow of Robo,who just got in the game.Bad route?I don't know.Under pressure?Heck ya.It was like they were blitzing every down,all day.BQ did get time on the second one.He faked an end around to Cribbs,then went deep to MoMass,who stumbled and fell,leaving the easy pick for Flowers.It could have been called pass interference,but I guess the refs thought it was incidental contact when the DB tripped up Mo.
      I didn't see the Eagles play the Chiefs,but I highly doubt Kolb had pressure on him all day.And I'll bet his recievers were better.If you put Kolb on the Browns that day,I doubt he'd do any better.BQ did avoid some sacks,and turn them into positive plays.No wonder Harrison had such a field day.Burning the blitzes.That,and Vickers.
      If I've learned anything from watching this game,it's that you have to be patient with QBs.Check out Bernies first year.Or Peyton Mannings.Or other guys,who took longer than that.The thing is,BQ has the experience.Kolb would be my second choice,because I'd rather see a young guy play,and take his lumps,while learning on the field.I'm fairly certain that BQ just needs what Kolb already has.Time,plays,and players.I am totally against bringing in a "stop gap".I'd rather we lost 8 more games with BQ/Kolb/rookie/ and have to go to a back up.(We're gonna need a backup with potential,too.)Because then at least we tried to groom a "franchise" guy.
      I think that BQ could be the next Montana.His short passing skills look good,and he's playing faster than the game,like the greats who started out having such a hard time,then settled down.He can scramble,and he's good at the no huddle.I am still in favor of BQ.

 NO WAY do I give the Eagles our second round pick for Kolb,even just straight up.I'd rather just pick one in the draft.If Holgrem and Co.decide Kolb is the best option,I hope they don't offer so much.How about reworking DAs contract(I assume he still wants to play football),then deal him and a third? 
       Realistically,I think that the Eagles are set on keeping Kolb,unless an offer they can't refuse comes along.More than I'd be willing to offer.

Just read that the Eagles are far more likely to deal McNabb than Kolb,and they want at least a first rounder for McNabb.So they can go pound salt.Then there's the "trade up" for Bradford/Claussen.Our first and third gone?No thanks.That leaves us with going with BQ,or a stop-gapper.I'd rather try with BQ.
    Start BQ,and get a Lefeavor/Robinson/Pike to develop.Plan B.
And this time around,get him some HELP.Drew Brees couldn't have won with the Browns last year.

I'm not totally against BQ for another year I just think that he's not the guy. I know he's had limited experience but those throws downfield that just sailed out of bounds were pathetic and his accuracy on short throws weren't good either. What if those interceptions that looked like the receivers fault, were actually just more terrible throws? I think it's time to realize there's a reason no other team in the nfl wanted to draft him. I like his work ethic and attitude but maybe he should've spent less time in the weight room and more time throwing. 

And I'm pretty sure DA cant be traded. Cause why would he want to re-do his contract? If we cut him we still have to pay him whatever money was guaranteed. And no team would trade for him cause they know we have no leverage and we'd have to just cut him and they could sign him for cheap. 

   DA has no guaranteed money owed him.Just a roster bonus.We could cut him,and then re-sign him,for back-up wages,with incentives.We might just do that.Besides,then if we deal him,he'd have the incentives that he would like to have,that he might not be able to get from a team signing him from FA.That's just one way.
   We could talk to another team(Eagles) that wants him for cheap(not impossible),and doesn't want to compete with other teams for his services.Suppose DA likes the idea of going there,over other places(McNabbs backup).So they let us know what they want to pay,and we offer it to DA,with the assurance that he'll be going to a team he wants to play for. It wouldn't be much,that we could get,but that's all I'd offer for Kolb.Once your a FA,the union wants you to go to the highest bidder.
    But I digress.

  Where the heck has Zaklco gone?

    You're right on with your assessment of BQ.So far.Remember,though,that the offense was going to be bad,regardless of the QB.I think it's unfair to say he's incapable of becoming a good QB in the NFL.I think he needs a better supporting cast.I think he's going to improve.That comes with experience.
    I'd rather at least give him experience/ops,rather than bring in a stop gapper.
  If not him,some other young guy that shows promise,in the draft.And not in the first round.

Yeah, Zaklco where are you?

But just compare what Peyton did with 2 rookie WR's to what BQ did. And ours were more highly regarded. I can't remember what announcer said it during a game but he said it best when i said that the team is doing terrible and cant expect to win but Brady still needs to show that he could start in this league on a winning team. To me, he did not do that. 

We also shouldn't ignore that he's ended 2 of his 3 seasons on IR

    Good points.Can BQ take the pounding for a full year?

   BQ is a question mark.So are the rest of them. As of now,I'd rather stick with BQ,and see what happens,than bring in an aging vet,or use our first rounder,plus a third for him.And I'd really like to see us bring in Haden,or maybe even Berry,if things work out right.So I really don't want to take Bradford or Claussen,even if they do fall to us.That leaves BQ, or some round 2 or lower guy.Let BQ have TC,and if he falters,we go to our draft pick.Lefevour,Robinson,or McCoy.Whatever is there at two, unless there's another player who drops to us.Then three.

   I'm totally psyched to see just what the offensive game plan is.With that offensive guy coming in,it seems like they are leaning more to a West Coast style.I think BQ could flourish in it.

McShays' last mock draft had Berry falling to us. 

Someone really needs to come out and say if we are going to be running the West-Coast offense or not. Dan Lefevour remains my favorite QB for us in this draft, but I wouldnt want him to start next year. 

      Well,at least BQ will outlast DA.Anderson has a two mil bonus coming March 5th.I just found out.It's not guaranteed,so he's a goner.Without it,we had a slim chance of dealing him.With it,it's bye bye.I'm just wondering why they're holding on to him now.
      I read an article in which Holgrem stated that if the team drafts a rookie to take over,that the fans and media must be prepared for some growing pains.
     I read earlier from him that a while ago in his career,he once stayed with a QB one year too long,and learned from that.He states here that BQ hasn't played enough to get a full judgement, but won't commit to him one way or the other.
     If we trade up for a QB,and lose our first and third,he better get a couple of free agent upgrades,or we're not going to be very competitive next season.I've read that that(I said that that:) "extra" third round pick is something that won't hurt us much,should we lose it,and won't be a determining factor at all.
     From the vibe I got(even though he says we could go any of 4 ways,draft,FA,trade,stay put) he wants to get  Bradford/Claussen in here.And I think they'll both be picked by Seattle,so they're looking to trade up......No Berry,Haden,McClain....and  we lose another possible upgrade at a position of need,in the third. 

Anderson is still here because Holmgren got beat by him in 07 so he's watching all of the film from his last 2 years so see if he can get him back to his 07 form. That wont happen because he's making to much money to be a project. 

I haven't gotten the same vibe. I'm sure the thought of drafting Claussen/Bradford is in his head but he hasnt done all his studying yet. Not to mention its Heckerts decision. Knowing Mangini he probably wouldnt want to take them and you know hes in love with Haden. It's still a possibility that we take one of those guys but not a sure thing. I hope Holmgren is watching film on LeFevour!

   I think if Holgrem wants to draft someone,Heckart or anyone else will do handstands to get it done.So I don't believe it's Heckarts decision.I believe that Heckart,or Mangini,or others in the organization can make arguments for their opinion,but in the end they'll need to convince Holgrem on what they want.I can't imagine Holgrem saying he really likes Bradford,and the best thing for the team is to get him here,so they can start righting the ship,and Heckert saying sorry,but I've already made up my mind to go with Haden.
     I didn't get that vibe until I read his take on the QB position.
 
   I figured Holgrem would've made up his mind on DA by now.He's(and Heckart,etc) had months to look at the tapes.
Maybe they're waiting on an official meeting,where they can all get together to make the decision to keep him or not.No need to rush it.Until March 4th,that is.
 
   I hope I'm wrong.It wouldn't be the first time.I'm for starting BQ next year,and bringing in a Lefeavor type to bring along.Maybe they're thinking BQ would only waste more time,and with the importance of the position,the time is now to go get the best they can.I.E.,Bradford/Claussen.

But what happens if we keep BQ and start him next year and still draft a QB but Brady has a good season?

A buddy of mine on another forum posted this. While the time period is different, it could still be a valid argument, while an argument about Akili Smith/McNown/Harrington, could also be valid.

1) This stiff's first 19 games: 267/501 53.2% 3217 yards, 11 TD, 21 INT

2) This clown's first 12 games: 106/216, 49.1%, 948 yards, 8 TD, 7 INT

3) This loser's first 9 games: 95/197, 48.2%, 1043 yards, 6 TD, 9 INT

#1 is Steve Young, #2 is McNabb, and #3 is Eli Manning.

Nobody is saying Quinn will be successful. But it's very possible, and if anybody can do it, it would be Holmgren and Co.

As for releasing DA and re-signing him, it's not realistic. It's not something teams do on a regular basis, especially with a QB who's fallen on their face as much as he has.

I know you're a DA fan, but let it go. DA is gone unless somehow he agrees to re-structure prior to the 15th.

I dont really know what to make out of those stats, if your going to compare you should use the same amount of games for each guy. But obviously the point is we still don't know with Quinn and it's Holmgrens job to decide if we should stick with him.  

All you need to look at is the games played.

Steve Young could have easily been given up on, and wasn't.

After McNabb effed up his first big chunk of games, he could have been given up on.

Same with Eli Manning.

Point is, you can't just judge an NFL player after a small sample of games. Even Holmgren agrees that most QB's need 2 full seasons, as he was quoted in an interview saying.

When I started this thread,I posted an almost identical post that dabrowns41 put up,concerning BQs lack of experience,and how he could still be another Troy Aikman.To say I haven't given up on DA yet is "out of touch" at this point.
    I was hopeful we could get something for him,but,as reported by Tony Rizzo on WKNR,Holgrem was hopeful of keeping him around,without paying his bonus,(I.E. cut and re-sign him)which DA balked at.He would rather just test the open market,before spots are filled.
   So DA will be gone before March 5th.And I don't mind a bit.
 Holgrem said it's up in the air what they'll do at QB.He did say out of the top ten issues that need addressed,QB is no.1,2,and 3.
   He said that as for the draft,they have 11 picks,and can even trade up,if they feel the need,and still bring in alot of help at several positions.
    So we may get Bradford/Claussen.
  Their are as many BQ fans as their are who have given up on him.And while there is the Aikman argument,like dabrowns41 says,their is the Akili Smith argument.I'll reiterate my stance.
    I'd rather draft a second tier QB later in the draft,and let BQ have another year.If not that,get Bradford/Claussen,and let them try to get out there by opening day.
   My last resort would be to bring in aging vet to hold the fort for a year.If that's the case,why not just let BQ start,and see what happens?
    The reason that was brought up was because everyone was so sour on BQ last year.He didn't show much,even when he had the ops.Hitting wide open guys against Detroit?DA could've done that.Time has softened the edge on most fans,and I think they'd be glad to see BQ give it another go.
    I'd say he has a 50-50 chance at succeeding.I wouldn't say that he has a VERY GOOD chance.I'm not in love with the guy.Just the best option.Just like last preseason,he's gonna have to prove he's worthy all by himself.
   One scary thought.
   Having seen 3 winners,Young/McNabb/Manning,and Smith/McNown/Harrington,who do you think BQ most closely resembles,at this point?
   I'm hopeful that BQ can right his ship,but it's no gimme.He could easily start the season as our backup.Holgrem said he spoke with BQ,but didn't go into details.Hopefully,he passed with flying colors.But he may have been preparing him a turn in the road.

         I just read the "Browns may look for QB at combines" in the news section,here,and seeing how Holgrem has drafted in the past,I think the Browns will grab a second tier guy,in the third or fourth,and give the job to BQ,while bringing the rookie along.It sure appears that way.That's what I would do.So I'm impressed,already.What isn't that impressive is Holgrems picks for QB while at Seattle.A good article,definitely worth the read.

Lefevour is my guy! If we got him in the 4th round that would be great. He was JUST AS PRODUCTIVE AS TEBOW (he just didnt get the championships to prove it) but the difference between the two is Lefevour has shown capability to play in a NFL scheme.

   I don't think Lefeavor will last until the fourth.I'd grab him in the third,if that's the way I wanted to go.I need to see more.I liked Lefeavor,and his scrambling ability,but he wasn't very accurate on that show of NCAA all-stars.I only saw highligts of him during the season.I wouldn't mind Zak Robinson,who we could get later than Lef.The important thing is we get a very accurate QB,who unfailingly leads his recievers commonly,while still having enough pocket presence to be able to avoid the passrush,and the ability to read defenses to the point where he's comfortable.Piece of cake.
   I don't know the union rules in the NFL,and it is the offseason,but I would really like the Browns to give BQ an NFL day type of workout,before the draft.Something that they can use to compare him to the QBs in the draft.This is an unusual situation,in that we have a new entourage here to look and evaluate him.Just ask him.What's he gonna do,say no?