Week 11

I think with the lost of Rogers for the year we will have to get Suh or Mccoy. Rogers is getting old and battling injuries and they deffensive line needs help anyway. I think with rogers getting hurt will be a great opportunity for Rubin. He shows a lot of potential so well get to see what hes all about. The Browns really need to catch a brake and Rubin showing he could be a starting quality player would be a huge one moving forward. 

   I'm leaning the other way.Rogers is gonna be OK.I heard C. Williams wants to play some nose tackle.He thinks he could play well there,too.Also,I am hoping Brian Schaefering sees plenty of action.He's still a bit green,but he could be a starter next year,if he plays like he did at Illinois.
   So Berry would be a good choice,especially if they have him coming up to help the run.
 But I'm thinking McClain might be the best choice for our defense..I'd bring back the 4-3,put Mclain in the middle,with Wimbley/Roth and Jackson/Roth outside.Then move Rogers,Coleman,
C. Williams,Smith,Rubin,and Schaefering around on the DL,and give the young guys more reps.

 Go Browns!!!

Don't forget about Ahtyba Rubin at the nose, he is actually a more technically sound NT than Rogers.
Wimbley and Roth wouldn't be OLB in a 4-3, they'd be defensive ends.  Corey Williams would be a UT and most of the rest of the current DL would be NTs.  The LBs (with what we currently have) would probably end up being something like Maiava/ Barton/ Jackson.

You're saying Wimbley or Roth couldn't play linebackers in a 4-3?I have to disagree.I didn't forget Rubin,but in a 4-3 I would have the DL play the gaps,with C. Williams next to Rogers,in the standard D.with Rubin the backup,for both.Coleman,Smith,Schaefering,and Roth on the ends.But they would be interchangeable,and I would want them all to know all of the D lines' jobs.Maybe flip-flop guys from inside to out,depending on the O-line they're up against.With McClain in the MLB spot,of course.
  

Go Browns!!! 

Im going to have to agree with DB41 on this one. If we were to move to a 4-3 it would be wimbley, rogers, rubin and williams on the dline. But i think the LBs would be Maivia/Jackson/Roth. I would want Roth so say at LB cause Williams will be great back in the 4-3 and we still need some LBs to be able to blitz. I think with the defensive talent we have we are definitely more suitable for the 4-3, but I'm more of a fan of the 3-4 and I would like to build our team for that scheme. 

And as far as Williams playing NT I dont think it will happen because unless something has happened this week Williams is in Mangini's doghouse and we all know what that means...

Im a fan of McClain but I dont think we can draft him with our first pick. Theres a lot of other good LBs in this draft that we could draft in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. But i wont be complaining if we trade down and get more picks and McClain. 

Wimbley absolutely would not be a LB in a 4-3, he is still below average in coverage and against the run.  Prototypical weak side 4-3 defensive end IMO.  And Roth played DE in the Phins 4-3 before they switched.

Roth and Wimbley would both be DE's in a 43/46. If we went 46, Wimbley would be next to Rogers and essentially be on an "island" with the left tackle, which is the matchup we want Wimbley to have.

If we were to switch to 43, we'd go Suh or McCoy, IMO, and have a very, very tough DL in Roth, Suh/McCoy, Rogers, Wimbley, and we'd still have Corey Williams to be our situational UT like he was when he excelled in Green Bay.

Oh, and after tonight's game with terrible safety AND defensive line play, it really won't matter if we go Suh or Berry because both would help immensely.

When you have a safety and a corner, or linebacker that can't cover a TE in double coverage, it's embarrassing. I know it's Antonio Gates, but we had chances to make a play on the ball and at least swat it down, and Gates just kept catching them.    

I don't understand how having Hank Poteat start at saftey is better then having Macdonald starting at corner. I'd be willing to bet that Poteat is the worse player on this team but for whatever reason Mangini loves him. Its funny how when you look at the players Mangini loves, Poteat, Royal etc are all playing terribly but when you look at the players he seems to dislike, Harrison, Robiskie etc are all making plays...and this guy is our coach

Here's my answer to your "absolutely",zaklco,and "would" instead of "could" dabrowns41 in reference to Wimbley and Roth playing OLBs in a 4-3.They're not just chess men,playing on a board,they're human beings,quite capable of adjusting to their teams' needs,within limitations,and perform at a high level.I'm not saying they could play QB or CB,but my thought was to build a very stout defense,funneling the plays to McLain.
 
Doesn't anyone have the ability to think "outside the box"?Wimbley could positively,definely,without any hinderance,with a full training camp to prepare,play OL in a 4-3,or 4-6.Same goes for Roth.
  And if I had the chance,the D would attack the h-e double toothpicks out of the opposing offense.
Everyone and their brother/sister knows what Wimbley came in here for.A sacker.But he has the atheleticism to make a great OLB in a 4-3,in my opinion.And still get some sacks.

  Go Browns!!!  

Here's my answer to your "absolutely",zaklco,and "would" instead of "could" dabrowns41 in reference to Wimbley and Roth playing OLBs in a 4-3.They're not just chess men,playing on a board,they're human beings,quite capable of adjusting to their teams' needs,within limitations,and perform at a high level.I'm not saying they could play QB or CB,but my thought was to build a very stout defense,funneling the plays to McLain.
 
Doesn't anyone have the ability to think "outside the box"?Wimbley could positively,definely,without any hinderance,with a full training camp to prepare,play OL in a 4-3,or 4-6.Same goes for Roth.
  And if I had the chance,the D would attack the h-e double toothpicks out of the opposing offense.
Everyone and their brother/sister knows what Wimbley came in here for.A sacker.But he has the atheleticism to make a great OLB in a 4-3,in my opinion.And still get some sacks.
  Go Browns!!!  

-realbrownsfan

Yes, they COULD play those positions, but they wouldn't.

When you're setting up your depth chart from the roster, you want to put players at positions that give the most upside.

Could Wimbley become a great 43 SAM? Sure... But chances of that are small because it doesn't fit his style. He's a pass rusher, who's already shown he's very weak in coverage, and not the greatest against the run. You're not going to just force a pass rushing former college DE and OLB in a 34 to play out of position. You're going to put in in the position that plays through his strengths, and not his weaknesses.    

I don't think he's doing all that well,at his "style",and in MHO I'd give him a shot with his speed and atheleticism.I think his weakness in coverage comes from being in the 3-4,where he's too close to the line at the snap,then ends up chasing the reciever,or late dropping back.And I think he could play better against the run,in a 4-3.I'm just giving an option...I would REALLY like to see the Browns be able to switch up defenses,at will.One play a 4-3,the next a 3-4.And so forth.Interchangeable parts.For that you need atheletes,like Kamerion Wimbley,And "David Lee" Roth(everybody wants some).

When I speak my mind,it's opinion,and I present it as such.Please think,and do the same.

Go Browns!!!

I don't think he's doing all that well,at his "style",and in MHO I'd give him a shot with his speed and atheleticism.I think his weakness in coverage comes from being in the 3-4,where he's too close to the line at the snap,then ends up chasing the reciever,or late dropping back.And I think he could play better against the run,in a 4-3.I'm just giving an option...I would REALLY like to see the Browns be able to switch up defenses,at will.One play a 4-3,the next a 3-4.And so forth.Interchangeable parts.For that you need atheletes,like Kamerion Wimbley,And "David Lee" Roth(everybody wants some).
When I speak my mind,it's opinion,and I present it as such.Please think,and do the same.
Go Browns!!!

-realbrownsfan

I'm sorry. This isn't Madden. We can't make a safety a defensive lineman.

You don't take a 43 DE or a 34 OLB that is very weak against the run, and bad in coverage in a position that he needs to be very good against the run, and significantly stronger in coverage.

That's not how it works. If that's how it would work, you'd see a lot fewer busts in the NFL.    

I never said make a safety intio a defensive lineman.As a matter of fact,I said I'm NOT talking about making an OLB into a QB or CB.  If they are to do what I'd like to see,it would mean switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4 as needed.I'm leaving Wimbley at the OLB for both.If it doesn't work and you're right,I'll have to put him at DE in the 4-3.But he better get some sacks.And not get thrown around by the LT.I'm thinking we're gonna get Suh,or McClain,which screams for a 4-3,along with our current guys,IMHO.If we want to stop the run.

  Go Browns!!!

If we get McClain I would want to keep the 3-4 even more. Imagine D'qwell and McClain in the middle, with Wimbley and Roth sacking the QB. If we can improve the secondary that sounds like a pretty solid defense to me. 

I never said make a safety intio a defensive lineman.As a matter of fact,I said I'm NOT talking about making an OLB into a QB or CB.  If they are to do what I'd like to see,it would mean switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4 as needed.I'm leaving Wimbley at the OLB for both.If it doesn't work and you're right,I'll have to put him at DE in the 4-3.But he better get some sacks.And not get thrown around by the LT.I'm thinking we're gonna get Suh,or McClain,which screams for a 4-3,along with our current guys,IMHO.If we want to stop the run.
  Go Browns!!!

-realbrownsfan

Point is, you're still being unreasonable with what your asking.

Again.... We're not playing Madden.    

Oh,well.I'm sure Captain Kirk couldn't explain some things to Spock,either..

It looks like now we're gonna have to take McLain.He just went to No.1 on my board of players we're going to have a chance at picking.I'm in.I'm not going to get down on BQ again,like some people I have talked to.Those were terrible conditions,and he DIDN'T LOSE the game.He gets points for that.He needs a full training camp,with a few more weapons.Jennings could become one of them.

 Go Browns!!!

Last time a Browns QB played in wind remotely like that, we lost our playoff bid because DA threw 4 INT's.

Quinn threw 0 INT's, and had zero turnovers.

Sure he didn't throw for 2-3 TD's and 250+ yards, but most importantly, in a close game, he didn't turn the ball over.

That's all that really matters.    

I think to talk about Quinn after the Pitt game is unfair to the rest of the team. The defense played amazingly, the dbs who have been the weakest part of the team stepped it up in the most important football game for this franchise in a while and played great. The d-line which has 1 starter remaining on it put up I think 6 sacks. A rookie rb Chris Jennings put up 73 yds and 1 td against the #1 rush defense in the league and Josh "run it to the" Cribbs carried the team with his wildcat running, with the offensive line blocking in front of him. In a game being played in those conditions you don't look for your QB to win you the game, you just look for him to not lose you the game by turning the ball over. And thats exactly what Quinn did. We had 0 turnovers and we won the game, good job Quinn and EVERYBODY else.