Week 7

I won't watch another Browns game as long as Derek Anderson is the quarterback of this "football" team.

This defense is terrible as well, we have zero offensive line, and a starting RB who tip toes to the line of scrimmage.

I watched the first half of this game and decided that I could spend my afternoon taking the future Mrs. to a movie and dinner and be more productive than having us watch Derek Anderson miss wide open receivers, and having our defense miss 5 tackles a play.

This team is embarrassing to watch.

As embarrassing as it is to watch i wont stop, but changes need to be made. The question is do we need to wait for more injuries until we see our other rookies play? 

I'd also like to point out that we got 0 sacks against the worst o-line in football. 

I was at the game as well. This being my first Browns game I was very disappointed. Obviously the I did not see any confidence in the Browns. The intensity wasn't there and it seemed the team just didn't care. Being a long time Patriots fan all you need is that one big break to become a dynasty. Who knows, Brett Ratliff could be that next big star.

I was at the game as well. This being my first Browns game I was very disappointed. Obviously the I did not see any confidence in the Browns. The intensity wasn't there and it seemed the team just didn't care. Being a long time Patriots fan all you need is that one big break to become a dynasty. Who knows, Brett Ratliff could be that next big star.

-patsfan612

Brett Ratliff is not a bad QB. Problem is, I don't think he wants to be in Cleveland. Who does want to be in Cleveland? At least in Tampa Bay they've got talent, it's just inexperienced. Not to mention the Palm Trees.

We have lake effect snow issues.

This team is just terrible. We have very little talent in our WR corps. Almost no talent in our RB committee.

We don't know what kind of talent we have at the QB position because Mangina is wasting the fans time with a guy who struggles to complete 8 passes a game.

We have a right side of the line that can't block.

We have ILB's that can't make a tackle.

We have OLB's that don't know how to rush the passer, and outside of Eric Wright, we have a secondary that's afraid to cover WR's and TE's.        

C'mon.
 
Apparently you guys didn't see the first three minutes.DA and Co.marched right up the field.
 
Too bad they started going man-to-man.Too bad we couldn't play 15 guys at once,at that point.
 
How about that DA pass right to the defender,near the goal line,almost a duplicate of his pick to TP last week?
 That should have been a pick 6 100 yd.er.

I gotta go with my buddy Ron "the Tater" White....You can't fix stupid.
 And it's clear as a window that's just been cleaned thoroughly by a professional window cleaner that DA ain't got any branches on his family tree.

Like it or not,he's our QB,fer the time being....and I do like it,not.
 What I found hard to watch,was Cribbs run the underneath route across the middle,looking for the ball,and DA waiting too long,before throwing it to him,after he's back in the coverage.That could have been a big play,with say,Tebow at QB.Or DA throwing to Harrison,not even to the line of scrimmage,with a linebacker barreling down on him.Thanks,DA.See who you can get injured.They've been lucky,so far.No wonder Cribbs is in a hurry to get his extension.

dabrowns41,you watched the whole first half?Live?With a girl willing to be with you?With winter coming on?With the foliage so beautiful,and the autumn air just screaming at us to get outside?Is outdoor hanky-panky the best or what?All 5 minutes.
 I,too,avoided the inevitable,and spent the day at the park with my kids.They just stocked a local pond with trout,and we caught 4.I like to watch the games in the evening,so I can pound a few brewskies.Man,it was hard to watch.Even with fast-forward.

We keep this up,and we're fer sure not getting a bye,come playoff time.

How about the TENN-BAMA game?  Ya know,watching Berry,he had 4 tackles,and 2 pass defenses...But the paper gave him 5,and credit for knocking the ball away from Ingram.I Tivo'd it,and am certain it was Rogan who pulled the ball way,and Berry who fell on it.Berry also was the guy who whiffed on the Ingram TD run.I know,their saying it was a less than average game for him,but I still wasn't impressed.I thought Rogan had a better game.
  You tie that in with our needs,and we may be better off getting Rogan down the line.I've seen him ranked around 8th in DBs likely to be in the draft.

         Go Browns!!!

DA just flat out doesnt cut it. Obviously we need more talent and better play calling but some of his throws were just pathetic. But whoever the WR's coach is needs to pound in the message to NOT GIVE UP ON THE BALL espeacially to MoMass. As far as Cribbs goes i think his WR career should officialy be over. Let him do the wild cat and end around and some added RB plays and that'll be fine for Cribbs. 

I watched that play and though Berry was definitely the good who caused the fumble. 

And dabrowns where are you getting Ratliff doesnt want to be in Cleveland? Even if thats true...Ratliff should want to play in the NFL period

It must be like Jordans' fans.They didn't think he got calls.Or us with James.The rest of the league thinks he travels constantly.
  Berry fans like to credit him whenever possible.I wonder if there's any  interview that covers the Ingram fumble.I watched it again,and I can safely "confirm" that it was no.41 who stripped the ball.Oh,well.No biggy.
  Was Berry the guy who definitely whiffed on Ingrahams TD run?
I like him,but I wouldn't take him with our first pick.He has good stats,but the last two games he's been on National TV,he's been unimpressive.If Mandingus is still around,he'll probably trade down,anyway.

Go Browns!!!

And dabrowns where are you getting Ratliff doesnt want to be in Cleveland? Even if thats true...Ratliff should want to play in the NFL period

-gobrowns216

I'm not saying I know he doesn't want to be in Cleveland.

I'm saying that I highly doubt anybody wants to be in Cleveland at this point.

Ask every player in the NFL where they want to play, have them list a top 5, and I bet not even 15% of them put Cleveland on their list.    

It must be like Jordans' fans.They didn't think he got calls.Or us with James.The rest of the league thinks he travels constantly.
  Berry fans like to credit him whenever possible.I wonder if there's any  interview that covers the Ingram fumble.I watched it again,and I can safely "confirm" that it was no.41 who stripped the ball.Oh,well.No biggy.
  Was Berry the guy who definitely whiffed on Ingrahams TD run?
I like him,but I wouldn't take him with our first pick.He has good stats,but the last two games he's been on National TV,he's been unimpressive.If Mandingus is still around,he'll probably trade down,anyway.

Go Browns!!!

-realbrownsfan

I know that you've been watching Berry as of late, but if you think Berry isn't playing up to par, you should see how (badly) Mays is doing.

Berry is the best defensive player in the nation, and it's inarguable.        

Obviously no one wants to play for one of the worst teams in the league but im sure if you ask every 3rd string quarterback if they'd like a chance to start they'd say yes...

After this weeks game it will be impossible for Quinn to get 70% of the snaps aka his bonus, lets hope this will be the last week of DA.

It's possible that Quinn plays after the bye week, but not probable. Mangini couldn't handle having a player question his coaching staff on the poor play calling, so Quinn is in the dog house.

Hopefully Mangini will grow up and give players an opportunity, but it's not likely.

Another reason that points to him needed to be fired. 

dabrowns41;I don't think you're aware of what inarguable means.It means not open to debate.
 
  Well,I strongly debate that Berry is the best defensive PLAYER in the country.He wasn't even the best player on the field vs. Bama,that day.(See; Rolando McLain,Did you see him get tackled by the johnson,and get right back up,against Ole Miss?)
 
  How about Endamaken Suh,the Nebraska DT?
 
Who would you take for our beloved Brownies?Berry or Brandon Spikes(FLA)?Remember,you can probably trade down,and still get Spikes around 10 -15.Maybe pick up another second rounder.

But more to the point,how good of a Pro will he be?Comparing him to Mays doesn't help his case,as it doesn't make Berry any better.And we've all seen Berry not having a great second half.
 
What I'm saying is I'd rather get 1)Suh,2)Spikes,and then Rogan later.My thinking is that Suh will help in both the rush and pass defenses.He's more likely to shore up the defense.
 
 If we go Berry,then I'm hoping we go for McLain,if he's around,in the second.If we go defense.Which I doubt,unless BQ has a comeback.Heck,the way how this team goes,BQ will do good against that weak junk we play at the end,and be our guy going into next year.And maybe that will be enough to get him to come around.That sure would be nice.That,and an off-season aquisition of a RT.
 
Go Browns!!!
 
 
 P.S. I think BQ will be back.The DA exp.is over.BQ should back around the time I said he would a month ago(I am Captain Smartypants),after the bye vs. Detroit.That'll give him time to prepare(new recievers,play adjustments,get Daboll to give him some space).But even Tony Grossi is saying that BQ is done,because of Mangini.I can't imagine Mangini being that bad.We shall see..... 

Endamaken? lol its Ndamukong. 

Looking at the schedule if Brady comes in after the bye he will only have to play 2 top notch defenses. Cincinnati and San Diego arent push overs but there not unbeatable. I would love for Quinn to do decent enough that we don't need to draft a QB this year. If that happens I think we could afford to get Berry, Suh, or McClain in the first round and either would be fine with me. But I'm hoping Braylon can get us a 2nd round pick and if that happens i would go RT and TE. There's a lot of talent in the tackle and tight end positions in this years draft so i think we could get starter talent in the 2nd round. It's been killing me to not say as of right now the players I'd like to see us get (cause its so early) but assuming Quinn could play decent enough this is what I would do if the draft was today.

1. Berry/Suh/McClain (1st round)
2. Bryan Bulaga (OT) (2nd round)
3. Dennis Pitta (TE) (2nd round)
4. Myron Lewis (CB) (3rd round)
5. Tyson Alualu (DE) (3rd round)
6. Charles Scott (RB) (4th round)
7. Eric Norwood (DE/LB) (5th round)

I just realized how many picks 11 picks is. Thats all i got for you now it looks pretty good to me. I've looked at a lot of different mock drafts and they have these players going in all different rounds so who knows if this would be possible. It just scares me that with the rookies we have now (coye francies and david veikune) dont get to play. 

I'm not going to argue with you about the Berry thing. You're ignoring all of my points, just like BooyaCS is on footballsfuture.com.

Real talent evaluators rate Berry as the best player potentially in next years draft. And everything I've seen on Berry the last 2.5 seasons, has proven what is being written about him.

Just because a player doesn't get a lot of tackles or sacks, or anything doesn't mean he's not making an impact.

Berry was the leader that shut down a Bama offense that had put up 30 points on like 3 or 4 straight occasions this season.

Was it flashy? No. It doesn't have to be. He makes plays, and he makes offenses adjust their gameplans.

Suh is great, and on the same level as Berry.

Basically, you can either take Haloti Ngata, Ed Reed, or trade down a few spots and grab Patrick Willis (McClain).

McClain is the best linebacker in the nation. He makes Brandon Spikes look stupid.    

I'm not trying to argue.I was just debating as to whether your statement that "Berry is the best defensive player in the nation,and it's inarguable."

I mearly pointed out that that particular statement was inaccurate.And gave you examples to support my answer.Which you have agreed to.

Your "real evalators"statement is missing the first word "Some"and is right on the mark with the word "potentially".Half the teams in the NFL can potentially win the Super Bowl before the season starts.

I made the same type of statement"just because a player doesn't have alot of picks doesn't mean he's not a playmaker"awhile ago..They play keep away from Mays,too.That Oregon offense never tested him.He was just about the only guy making open field tackles.The Oregon QB was looking for him,and getting down to avoid him.

Back to the reality of the Browns situation.No way do we go defense in the draft.Our offense is far too pathetic.

Go Browns!!!

But what offensive positions could we go for. There's no RBs or WR's that are top 10 worthy. And do we really need to draft a RT with that pick? Obviously our offense is pathetic and if Quinn cant even resemble a starting QB that can play in the NFL then the pick will have to be Clausen or Locker. But if Quinn looks like he can pull it off Berry and Suh could be big play makers even on the defensive side.

O.K.;You have a valid point.If BQ is the starter,it makes sense for us to draft Berry,Suh or Mays,or Okung,then go after Jonathan Dwyer (GT) in the second round.Or maybe trading down for extra picks.That looks good if BQ is the starter,because that means he'll have done well enough to beat some teams ahead,and put us further down the draft board(7-9?),and out of the Berry/Suh race.Maybe we can get McLain,or TE Gresham(OKL)further down,in the first and pick up an extra pick,to some team desperate to get "their" guy.
 
I just don't think BQ is gonna get a fair shot,even if he plays the remainder of the year,and will be gone after this year.Say,for a 3rd rounder.Or maybe he'll get invited to camp,just to compete with whoever we draft with our 1st pick.
 The fact is,he's got a sad bunch of recievers,with defenses pressing like they are,he'll be lucky to get through this nightmare unscathed.He's gonna have to beat those tight man coverages deep to get any respect.The only thing that might have him optimistic,is the firing of Kokinis,and the shake-up going on.Maybe he'll finally get the whole team behind him.And the defense can keep him in games.
  I hope Bernie is keeping a close eye on Daboll,and giving him,along with the offense,some ideas.

Go Browns!!!